# Post-hoc MCMC with glmmTMB

#### Ben Bolker and Mollie Brooks

#### 2026-01-14

## Overview

One commonly requested feature is to be able to run a post hoc Markov chain Monte Carlo analysis based on the results of a frequentist fit. This is often a reasonable shortcut for computing confidence intervals and p-values that allow for finite-sized samples rather than relying on asymptotic sampling distributions. This vignette shows examples of such an analysis. Some caveats:

- when using such a "pseudo-Bayesian" approach, be aware that using a scaled likelihood (implicit, improper priors) can often cause problems, especially when the model is poorly constrained by the data
- in particular, models with poorly constrained random effects (singular or nearly singular) are likely to give bad results
- as shown below, even models that are well-behaved for frequentist fitting may need stronger priors to give well-behaved MCMC results
- as with all MCMC analysis, it is the user's responsibility to check for proper mixing and convergence of the chains (e.g. with functions from the `coda` package) before drawing conclusions. `tmbstan` does some checking automatically, so it produces warnings where the DIY sampler below does not.

The first MCMC sampler illustrated below is conceptually simple (Metropolis with a multivariate normal candidate distribution). Users who want to do MCMC sampling with less code or on a regular basis should consider the tmbstan package, which does more efficient hybrid/Hamiltonian Monte Carlo sampling, and can take full advantage of `glmmTMB`'s ability to provide gradients of the log-posterior with respect to the parameters. More info on `tmbstan` and the methods that are available to use on the samples can be found on Github (e.g. `methods(class="stanfit")`). It is safe to skip the Metropolis-Hastings (DIY) section of the salamander example below if the user prefers to use `tmbstan`.

In general, you can plug the objective function from `glmmTMB` (i.e., `fitted_model$obj$fn`) into any general-purpose MCMC package (e.g. adaptMCMC, MCMCpack (using `MCMCmetrop1R()`), ensemblemcmc, ...). However, most of these algorithms do not take advantage of `glmmTMB`'s automatic computation of gradients; for that, we will demonstrate the use of tmbstan, which uses `glmmTMB`'s objective and gradient functions in conjunction with the sampling algorithms from Stan.

## Setup

Load packages:

    library(glmmTMB)
    library(coda)     ## MCMC utilities
    library(reshape2) ## for melt()
    ## graphics
    library(lattice)
    library(ggplot2); theme_set(theme_bw())

## Salamander example

Fit basic model:

    fm1 <- glmmTMB(count ~ mined + (1|site),
        zi=~mined,
        family=poisson, data=Salamanders)

### Metropolis-Hastings (DIY)

This is a basic block Metropolis sampler, based on Florian Hartig's code here.

    ##' @param start starting value
    ##' @param V variance-covariance matrix of MVN candidate distribution
    ##' @param iterations total iterations
    ##' @param nsamp number of samples to store
    ##' @param burnin number of initial samples to discard
    ##' @param thin thinning interval
    ##' @param tune tuning parameters; expand/contract V
    ##' @param seed random-number seed
    run_MCMC <- function(start,
                         V,
                         logpost_fun,
                         iterations = 10000,
                         nsamp = 1000,
                         burnin = iterations/2,
                         thin = floor((iterations-burnin)/nsamp),
                         tune = NULL,
                         seed=NULL
                         ) {
        ## initialize
        if (!is.null(seed)) set.seed(seed)
        if (!is.null(tune)) {
            tunesq <- if (length(tune)==1) tune^2 else outer(tune,tune)
            V <-  V*tunesq
        }
        chain <- matrix(NA, nsamp+1, length(start))
        chain[1,] <- cur_par <- start
        postval <- logpost_fun(cur_par)
        j <- 1
        for (i in 1:iterations) {
            proposal = MASS::mvrnorm(1,mu=cur_par, Sigma=V)
            newpostval <- logpost_fun(proposal)
            accept_prob <- exp(newpostval - postval)
            if (runif(1) < accept_prob) {
                cur_par <- proposal
                postval <- newpostval
            }
            if ((i>burnin) && (i %% thin == 1)) {
                chain[j+1,] <- cur_par
                j <- j + 1
            }
        }
        chain <- na.omit(chain)
        colnames(chain) <- names(start)
        chain <- coda::mcmc(chain)
        return(chain)
    }

Set up for MCMC: define scaled log-posterior function (in this case the log-likelihood function); extract coefficients and variance-covariance matrices as starting points.

    ## FIXME: is there a better way for user to extract full coefs?
    rawcoef <- with(fm1$obj$env,last.par[-random])
    names(rawcoef) <- make.names(names(rawcoef), unique=TRUE)
    ## log-likelihood function
    ## (run_MCMC wants *positive* log-lik)
    logpost_fun <- function(x) -fm1$obj$fn(x)
    ## check definitions
    stopifnot(all.equal(c(logpost_fun(rawcoef)),
                        c(logLik(fm1)),
              tolerance=1e-7))
    V <- vcov(fm1,full=TRUE)

Run the chain:

    t1 <- system.time(m1 <- run_MCMC(start=rawcoef,
                                     V=V, logpost_fun=logpost_fun,
                                     seed=1001))

(running this chain takes 7.7 seconds)

Add more informative names and transform correlation parameter (see vignette on covariance structures and parameters):

    colnames(m1) <- colnames(vcov(fm1, full = TRUE))
    colnames(m1)[ncol(m1)] <- "sd_site"

We could look at a traceplot (redacted for space, but appears OK):

    lattice::xyplot(m1,layout=c(2,3),asp="fill")

    print(effectiveSize(m1),digits=3)

    ##    (Intercept)        minedno zi~(Intercept)     zi~minedno        sd_site
    ##            262            243            258            259            249

These effective sizes are probably still too small. In a real analysis we would stop and make sure we had addressed the mixing/convergence problems before proceeding; for this simple sampler, some of our choices would be (1) simply run the chain for longer; (2) tune the candidate distribution (e.g. by using `tune` to scale some parameters, or perhaps by switching to a multivariate Student t distribution [see the `mvtnorm` package]); (3) add regularizing priors.

Ignoring the problems and proceeding, we can compute column-wise quantiles or highest posterior density intervals (`coda::HPDinterval`) to get confidence intervals. Plotting posterior distributions, omitting the intercept because it's on a very different scale.

### tmbstan

The `tmbstan` package allows direct, simple access to a hybrid/Hamiltonian Monte Carlo algorithm for sampling from a TMB object; the `$obj` component of a `glmmTMB` fit is such an object. (To run this example you'll need to install the `tmbstan` package and its dependencies.)

    library(tmbstan)
    t2 <- system.time(m2 <- tmbstan(fm1$obj, seed = 101))

Running this command, which creates 4 chains, takes 5.6 seconds, with no parallelization. If you're going to do this a lot, you can use argument `cores=n` for running chains in parallel. The argument is sent to `rstan::sampling` so you should look at the helpfile `?rstan::sampling`. Running `bayestestR::diagnostic_posterior()` on the fit gives the following results:

Parameter | ESS | MCSE | Rhat
--- | --- | --- | ---
beta[1] | 736 | 0.010 | 1.001
beta[2] | 709 | 0.011 | 1.001
betazi[1] | 998 | 0.008 | 1.001
betazi[2] | 1137 | 0.008 | 1.001
theta | 556 | 0.015 | 1.012

A trace plot (`rstan::traceplot(m2, pars=c("beta","betazi","theta"))`):

(also redacted for space, also looks OK)

Pairs plot (`pairs(m2, pars = c("beta", "betazi"), gap = 0)`): (also redacted for space, also looks OK)

## Sleep study example

Now using the (now) classic `sleepstudy` data set included with the `lme4` package:

    data("sleepstudy", package = "lme4")
    fm2 <- glmmTMB(Reaction ~ Days + (Days | Subject), data = sleepstudy)
    t3 <- system.time(m3 <- tmbstan(fm2$obj, seed = 101))

Running this chain produces many warnings about divergent transitions, low effective sample size, etc.; the diagnostic table confirms this.

Diagnostics:

    dp3 <- bayestestR::diagnostic_posterior(m3)

Parameter | ESS | MCSE | Rhat
--- | --- | --- | ---
beta[1] | 11 | 2.339 | 1.138
beta[2] | 14 | 0.473 | 1.164
betadisp | 8 | 0.026 | 1.201
theta[1] | 18 | 0.074 | 1.157
theta[2] | 23 | 0.056 | 1.143
theta[3] | 3 | 205.252 | 2.073

Most of the trace plot (redacted) looks OK. However, one sub-panel shows that on of the parameters (`theta[3]`, controlling the intercept/slope correlation) is problematic for one of the chains:

One way to address these problems is to add bounds that prevent the chains from going outside a range of \(\pm 5\) standard errors from the MLE (we originally used \(\pm 3 \sigma\), but it looked like these bounds were being hit too frequently - if possible we want bounds that will prevent crazy behaviour but not otherwise constrain the chains ...)

    sdrsum <- summary(fm2$sdr)
    par_est <- sdrsum[,"Estimate"]
    par_sd <- sdrsum[,"Std. Error"]
    t4 <- system.time(m4 <- tmbstan(fm2$obj,
                                    lower = par_est - 5*par_sd,
                                    upper = par_est + 5*par_sd,
                                    seed = 101))

The diagnostics and the trace plot look much better now (only `theta[3]` shown) ...

    dp4 <- bayestestR::diagnostic_posterior(m4)

Parameter | ESS | MCSE | Rhat
--- | --- | --- | ---
beta[1] | 2782 | 0.078 | 1.000
beta[2] | 514 | 0.070 | 1.006
betadisp | 2410 | 0.001 | 1.001
theta[1] | 445 | 0.021 | 1.004
theta[2] | 1275 | 0.006 | 1.002
theta[3] | 1184 | 0.014 | 1.002

The last step (for now) is to extract the sampled values, give them interpretable names, and transform the correlation parameter back to a more interpretable scale (see the "Covariance structures" vignette):

    samples4 <- as.data.frame(extract(m4, pars=c("beta","betadisp","theta")))
    colnames(samples4) <- c(names(fixef(fm2)$cond),
                      "log(sigma)",
                      c("log(sd_Intercept)", "log(sd_Days)", "cor"))
    samples4$cor <- sapply(samples4$cor, get_cor)

    m4_long <- reshape2::melt(as.matrix(samples4))
    ggplot(m4_long, aes(x = value)) + geom_histogram(bins = 50) + facet_wrap(~Var2, scale = "free")

A more principled, properly Bayesian way to handle this problem would be to add sensible regularizing priors. (To be done/tested; as of this writing, priors can be set on fixed effects and on random effect standard deviations, but not on random effect correlations ...)